3 Questions About PIR Weekend And A School

[Yin.Yang]

Hey Im new here Im 19., and Im planning to ship out to Boot Camp on Oct 1, 2008 and I have a few questions about PIR Weekend and A School.

1) My rate is going to be Master At Arms, is it possible to go straight to A School and not have Liberity Weekend? I mean I would rather leave and start Master At Arms A School right after Boot Camp, so can you request that or anything?

2) I love drinking alcohol and partying and my parents buy me the alcohol as long as promise not to drive. Anyways if I dont get Grad N Go I plan on drinking over liberty during the day. As long as I dont show back up at taps really really drunk will they know? I mean will they give you a breathalizer tests or drug tests (I dont do drugs) every day after liberity?

3) How many people can come to PIR?

[KYmom]

Hey Im new here Im 19., and Im planning to ship out to Boot Camp on Oct 1, 2008 and I have a few questions about PIR Weekend and A School.

1) My rate is going to be Master At Arms, is it possible to go straight to A School and not have Liberity Weekend? I mean I would rather leave and start Master At Arms A School right after Boot Camp, so can you request that or anything?


No,, you have to start with everyone else as a group.

2) I love drinking alcohol and partying and my parents buy me the alcohol as long as promise not to drive. Anyways if I dont get Grad N Go I plan on drinking over liberty during the day. As long as I dont show back up at taps really really drunk will they know? I mean will they give you a breathalizer tests or drug tests (I dont do drugs) every day after liberity?

Drinking over liberty weekend IS NOT ALLOWED.
Actually drinking underage is frowned on big time in the navy. There have been alot of the boys that have gone to Captains Mast over this issue.
Pick your prioritys now Navy or Alcohol?
Your Navy Career can be over as quick as it started if you screw up with alcohol or drugs in your system.



3) How many people can come to PIR?

You are allowed to list 4, but most have more than that.

[Yin.Yang]

Drinking over liberty weekend IS NOT ALLOWED.
Actually drinking underage is frowned on big time in the navy. There have been alot of the boys that have gone to Captains Mast over this issue.
Pick your prioritys now Navy or Alcohol?
Your Navy Career can be over as quick as it started if you screw up with alcohol or drugs in your system.

Thats your opinion thats underage drinking is frowned on big time in the Navy, thats not an actual fact. I appreciate your opinion but I love drinking and will continue todo it. My question was do they test you for alcohol each day after liberity. If they do test you at liberity Ill wait till A School, when Im allowed to go out and drink. I dont do drugs so Im not worried about that. Also whats Captians Mast?

[matt's mom]

No it is not KYmom opionon about the frown on underage drinking IT IS A KNOW FACT THAT THE NAVY FROWNS ON UNDERAGE DRINKING AND YOU WILL GET IN TROUBLE PLUS GET ALL YOUR SHIPMATES IN TROUBLE. You will get rukws about Liberty and you can't smoke, drink or drive that weekend.
As drinking in A school if you are underage you shouldnt casue once again you can go to Captian's Mast
I agree with KYMOM make the choice to follow rules now.

[Yin.Yang]

No it is not KYmom opionon about the frown on underage drinking IT IS A KNOW FACT THAT THE NAVY FROWNS ON UNDERAGE DRINKING AND YOU WILL GET IN TROUBLE PLUS GET ALL YOUR SHIPMATES IN TROUBLE. You will get rukws about Liberty and you can't smoke, drink or drive that weekend.
As drinking in A school if you are underage you shouldnt casue once again you can go to Captian's Mast
I agree with KYMOM make the choice to follow rules now.

Ok, IM not meaning to be difficult but weres that written, whatever its not imporntant, im not arguing. Im going with the phrase everything is ok as long as you dont get caught. :angel: I dont smoke anways. And i dont plan on driving since ill be drinking :evil: Anyways thanks for posting.

[matt's mom]

I am sorry that is the wrong attitude to take. Rules are Rules and they arent meant to be broken.
It is written about the drinking, smoking and driving on Liberty weekend.
I am sorry aobiut this you do have the wrong attitude. Why punish the rest of your shipmates cause you decide to go against the rules and drink.

[matt's mom]

Rules for Recruits on Liberty

LIBERTY INFORMATION

Liberty is ‘time off’ from the daily routine. Graduating Sailors
will be granted liberty to go off-base during the day with their families. Graduating Sailors may not smoke, drive, or consume alcoholic beverages while on liberty.

Graduating Sailors must stay within a 50-mile radius of RTC.

Graduating Sailors must remain in their complete uniform while on liberty. If they are engaging in physical activity or swimming, they must be in authorized PT gear.


The above is ied directly from the Great lakes recruit website so yes it is written down

[Yin.Yang]

I am sorry that is the wrong attitude to take. Rules are Rules and they arent meant to be broken.
It is written about the drinking, smoking and driving on Liberty weekend.
I am sorry aobiut this you do have the wrong attitude. Why punish the rest of your shipmates cause you decide to go against the rules and drink.

Ok mam, I dont mean to be disrespectful but I posted to ask if they tested you (like breathalizer) I didnt post for a guilt trip from you. Plus in all seriousness how would anyone know as long as I dont come back drunk?

Also I have drank for a month because Ive been serious about this loseing weight and dedication but its killing me NOT drinking, but Im doing it becuase Im dedicated to get in shape and its working.

I think that after 2 months of Boot Camp and 2 Months of getting in shape before Boot Camp I deserve to reward myself with something I enjoy during my liberity weekend ie drinking. I mean after losing 100lbs and joining the Navy dont you think I should reward myself?

[Yin.Yang]

Rules for Recruits on Liberty

LIBERTY INFORMATION

Liberty is ‘time off’ from the daily routine. Graduating Sailors
will be granted liberty to go off-base during the day with their families. Graduating Sailors may not smoke, drive, or consume alcoholic beverages while on liberty.

Graduating Sailors must stay within a 50-mile radius of RTC.

Graduating Sailors must remain in their complete uniform while on liberty. If they are engaging in physical activity or swimming, they must be in authorized PT gear.


The above is ied directly from the Great lakes recruit website so yes it is written down


It is not written down that the Navy Frowns upon underage drinking ANYWHERE in that post. You just posted the rules for Liberity Weekend. I said show me where underage drinking is frowned upon in writing, and you have yet to show me. Once again I mean no disrespect.

Let me ask you this as a personal question Assuming its not liberity weekend and your child wanted to would you let them drink alcohol? Just curious...

[matt's mom]

When you are legal yes you can reward yourself.
I am sorry you come on here telling everyone you are going to go against the rules and drink casue you feel you need to reward yourself.
If you are going to go against this rule what other rules will you not follow?

[nickhallnavy]

Ok mam, I dont mean to be disrespectful but I posted to ask if they tested you (like breathalizer) I didnt post for a guilt trip from you. Plus in all seriousness how would anyone know as long as I dont come back drunk?

Also I have drank for a month because Ive been serious about this loseing weight and dedication but its killing me NOT drinking, but Im doing it becuase Im dedicated to get in shape and its working.

I think that after 2 months of Boot Camp and 2 Months of getting in shape before Boot Camp I deserve to reward myself with something I enjoy during my liberity weekend ie drinking. I mean after losing 100lbs and joining the Navy dont you think I should reward myself?

way wrong attitude, man. if you have made it 2 months, why not wait a couple more weeks till you are allowed to in A school? no matter how little you have to drink, you can smell it. and if they smell it, you will get in trouble. that's not a good way to start your career in the navy.

[Yin.Yang]

When you are legal yes you can reward yourself.
I am sorry you come on here telling everyone you are going to go against the rules and drink casue you feel you need to reward yourself.
If you are going to go against this rule what other rules will you not follow?

I didnt come here to talk about alcohol I came here and asked for information on the questions I had about Liberity Weekend. So Im done arguing.

Also that would be the only rule that Ive seen that I would break. I asked if they gave you tests everyday that was the source of the question and noone answered it I got opinions, but thats ok I still apprecaite the posts.

[Yin.Yang]

way wrong attitude, man. if you have made it 2 months, why not wait a couple more weeks till you are allowed to in A school? no matter how little you have to drink, you can smell it. and if they smell it, you will get in trouble. that's not a good way to start your career in the navy.

Bold In Quote: Thats why I shower and brush my teeth at my parents hotel before I go back to camp :biggrin:

Italics In Quote: More then likely I will wait till A School. But that was the question do they test you each night? As I said if they do I will just wait till A School.

Thanks for the post.

[matt's mom]

Doesnt matter if they test you or not rules are rules. You never know where a RDC will turn up either.
And if your parents know of these rules and still let you break them cause you want to
they should also get in trouble

[nickhallnavy]

if you are willing to break this rule, so early in your career, who knows what else you will break later on? especially since you are underage. look man, if i know someone is willing to break one rule, who knows what else they will break. do they test you? i doubt it. but why risk it? going out to the fleet undes sucks, but if you are caught, there is about a 99% chance you will be doing it.



i've said my .02, now im done

[Yin.Yang]

Doesnt matter if they test you or not rules are rules. You never know where a RDC will turn up either.
And if your parents know of these rules and still let you break them cause you want to
they should also get in trouble

Acutally if you drink in the Hotel Room The RDC wont show up. But seriously lets stop the alcohol talk please I didnt join to talk about that. I was just posting a question asking if the test you. Thats all but its over let it go.

[Yin.Yang]

if you are willing to break this rule, so early in your career, who knows what else you will break later on? especially since you are underage. look man, if i know someone is willing to break one rule, who knows what else they will break. do they test you? i doubt it. but why risk it? going out to the fleet undes sucks, but if you are caught, there is about a 99% chance you will be doing it.



i've said my .02, now im done

whats going out to fleet undies? Also Im going to A School not fleet..

[nickhallnavy]

yes, but if you get in trouble, you will loose your "A" school, and go to the fleet undesignated. that means you get all the shit jobs that no one wants to do.

[nickhallnavy]

Acutally if you drink in the Hotel Room The RDC wont show up.

and you know this how? when you are on liberty, you are still their responsibility. boot camp is all about following the rules. the way you are talking now, you won't make it very long in my navy

[Yin.Yang]

yes, but if you get in trouble, you will loose your "A" school, and go to the fleet undesignated. that means you get all the shit jobs that no one wants to do.

Then like i said Ill just wait till A School. :biggrin:


CASED CLOSED

[Yin.Yang]

and you know this how? when you are on liberty, you are still their responsibility. boot camp is all about following the rules. the way you are talking now, you won't make it very long in my navy

Because how will the RDC know where Im staying? But anways topic closed on the drinking part.

[ILNavyMom]

FYI - That is a terrible attitude to take going into the Navy - Yes, they will find out and yes they do find out. They have people at the hotels and they can go into rooms if one of the recruits are there visiting. That is a fact. Also, you'll just wait till A school - that's a very poor attitude - it's still against the law and still underage drinking. For your sake, I hope you either majorily change your attitude or back out before going in. I wouldn't want my son to have a shipmate like you who likes to break the rules before he even gets aboard. If you continue to want to drink in A school I hope you go to one of the hotels and get caught - it would serve you right. Also, wait till A school - you don't get liberty right away - you have to earn it and it can take quite a while to earn - especially if you have an attitude or problems. Don't bother posting a response back to me. Good luck in your short navy career - I hope you have a backup plan.

[Yin.Yang]

FYI - That is a terrible attitude to take going into the Navy - Yes, they will find out and yes they do find out. They have people at the hotels and they can go into rooms if one of the recruits are there visiting. That is a fact. Also, you'll just wait till A school - that's a very poor attitude - it's still against the law and still underage drinking. For your sake, I hope you either majorily change your attitude or back out before going in. I wouldn't want my son to have a shipmate like you who likes to break the rules before he even gets aboard. If you continue to want to drink in A school I hope you go to one of the hotels and get caught - it would serve you right. Also, wait till A school - you don't get liberty right away - you have to earn it and it can take quite a while to earn - especially if you have an attitude or problems. Don't bother posting a response back to me. Good luck in your short navy career - I hope you have a backup plan.

No need to be rude. I havent been except to a certain poster below.

[matt's mom]

You asked about breathe testing casue you were thinking of drinking, Getting caught effects everyone your shipmates their families ect.
If you are willing to break this rule then what other rules will you break thus putting your fellow Sailors in danger.

[Retired Navy Chief]

I see that plenty of the others have already called you on the underage drinking issue. I see that the advice of others have fallen on deaf ears and I doubt mine will make a difference but here goes ...

As to where it is "written" ... well, that would be in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The exact article and wording is irrelevant because there is always one general misconduct article that covers what the others don't directly address.
As a Master-At-Arms, if you make it that far, you will become intimately familiar with the UCMJ and every rule and regulation that it calls you to enforce. Uh oh ... that will mean that YOU will have to hold yourself to that same standard.

Captains Mast is non-judicial punishment given by the Commanding Officer. As a Master-At-Arms, you do not want to be on the receiving end of the Captains punishment. You WILL get hammered to the fullest extent because the nature of your job is to enforce the UCMJ.

Sure, lots of people go out and get tuned up in the motel room during their liberty night ... many get away with it. I wish you could speak to the ones who didn't get away with it. The ones who were so smart that they knew they weren't gonna get caught because they took all the precautions like brushing their teeth and not going where they say they are going. Those are the guys who lost their A-school (aka: got off easy) or were sent home with a bad conduct discharge. Don't think the RDC's are mindless doles who wouldn't expect this out of a 19 year old kid. Navy has been dealing with that for a couple hundred years ... you are no match for history:eterollll:.

Your choice and your future ... but in the grand scheme of things, getting drunk underage seems kind of trivial to me though. Of course that is just my opinion ... however, there are literally thousands of senior sailors who feel the exact same way and are in the position to hold you to it or process you out.

As we say in the Damage Control world ... "Learn or Burn".

Have a nice day,
PISTOL

[Yin.Yang]

Thanks Chief For The Reply.

[Yin.Yang]

You asked about breathe testing casue you were thinking of drinking, Getting caught effects everyone your shipmates their families ect.
If you are willing to break this rule then what other rules will you break thus putting your fellow Sailors in danger.

NO IT DOESNT EFFECT THEM WHAT THE HELL

[matt's mom]

yes it does effect your shipmates see you dont know everyhthing.
You get caught all of you can have liberty taken away restricted to barracks extra IT ect
Everyones actions effect everyone

[Yin.Yang]

yes it does effect your shipmates see you dont know everyhthing.
You get caught all of you can have liberty taken away restricted to barracks extra IT ect
Everyones actions effect everyone

I WONT DRINK AT LIBERITY DROP THE TOPIC. THANKS

[matt's mom]

I stopped i just explained how it can effect others no matter where you are

[Retired Navy Chief]

Partner ... do you see how quickly doing the wrong thing escalates into a riot ? Bootcamp is going to be MUCH worse in that respect. You will be called to the forefront for every one of your actions and will be expected to fix your problems. Even if it comes at the expense of everyone else.

I had a shipmate in bootcamp who forgot to shave once ... and it cost my entire division a weeks mail call. Neither him nor I EVER forgot to shave again after that.

Especially hard-headed recruits get sent to visit the SEALs for additional "encouragement". I don't care how many foul words you know or how big you think you are ... you are just a speed bump to them.

Cussing out women .... over the internet ??? Come on man ... what kind of a man are you ?? Do yourself a favor and get yourself together before you come back here. You asked the good people on here for advice, from people who were more than willing to give freely without anything in return from you ... and then you act like that. You have a lot of growing up to do before you could call yourself a US Navy Sailor.

PISTOL

[Yin.Yang]

Partner ... do you see how quickly doing the wrong thing escalates into a riot ? Bootcamp is going to be MUCH worse in that respect. You will be called to the forefront for every one of your actions and will be expected to fix your problems. Even if it comes at the expense of everyone else.

I had a shipmate in bootcamp who forgot to shave once ... and it cost my entire division a weeks mail call. Neither him nor I EVER forgot to shave again after that.

Especially hard-headed recruits get sent to visit the SEALs for additional "encouragement". I don't care how many foul words you know or how big you think you are ... you are just a speed bump to them.

Cussing out women .... over the internet ??? Come on man ... what kind of a man are you ?? Do yourself a favor and get yourself together before you come back here. You asked the good people on here for advice, from people who were more than willing to give freely without anything in return from you ... and then you act like that. You have a lot of growing up to do before you could call yourself a US Navy Sailor.

PISTOL

i would love training with the seals.

[JDs_Wife]

You would never make it.

[Retired Navy Chief]

I was stationed with them and PT'd with them every day for two years ... you would NOT like it if they were focused on YOU and you were acting with as much disrespect as you are here.


PISTOL

[KYmom]

NO IT DOESNT EFFECT THEM WHAT THE HELL

Yes it does effect them..

When you get liberty on friday and you get busted on friday nite.
The rest of your ship mates don't get liberty on saturday or sunday.
Most of these people have driven along way or flew to see their sailors.
Or their liberty is reduced.
Right now at Great Lakes nobody gets liberty cause of a overdose by some stupid sailor that thought he could do the same thing - went into covulsion and died. His buddies threw him into a ditch and left him.
There are probably gonna be court martialed.

You have the gall to tell us you want to be a MA and enforce rules but you don't want to abid by them yourself.
In our town those are dirty cops who think there are above everyone else.

I bite my tongue earlier to be nice, but you are a product of your environment and your parents have contributed to what you are by buying you alcochol, and I have no respect for any parent who buys there 18 or 19 y.o. alcohol.. So obviosuly they have contributed to your alcohol problems which is just a bad if not worse than drugs. You need to attend some AA classes if you are serious about representing our country as a MA.

My opinion is based on the things that you have said, and I think you need to address your drinking problem. I have 2 boys and I refuse to buy them alcohol. one is 19... When he comes home on leave I might permit him to have a beer or two with his father when he comes home on our property and not to leave. But you will find out the Navy doesn't tolerate underage drinking - and it's a good way to loosed your schooling.
It's amazing the # of sailors that have lost their A school for that reason, and also been docked large amount's of their pay for drinking.

[Retired Navy Chief]

The days of glamorized drinking by sailors is loooong gone.

PISTOL

[JDs_Wife]

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[Yin.Yang]

A Note To All,

OK, so I tried to be respectful when I started getting the responses from people looking down on me for drinking, then I started getting responses from people looking down on me for wanting to do it and not get caught, then I got a response that was just bashing me and just plain rude, so I was rude back. I apologize to all who I was rude too, JDs_Wife included. I should have just kept my cool I mean I dont really know any of you so I shouldnt have let some of the remarks made about me get to me. I know some of you may or may not care but I do apologize for all rude and crude remarks I made.

I do enjoy drinking, as when i went down to college I ejoyed it alittle to much as I pledged a fraternity, and thats all we did mostly. I still enjoy drinking but have given it up because I am working so hard on getting in shape and it has paid off. So i wanted to reward myself on my getting in shape and graduating boot camp. I havent drank in a month and some days its kills me but most days its fine. I dont see anything wrong with underage drinking. And some of you do, and thats fine, but since I dont bash on you for not liking it, I would apprecaite you not bashing on me for liking it. It helps me losen up since Im really shy and have fun.

More than likely if I drink at Liberity it will be in the Hotel and I will shower and brush my teeth before I go back, but I mean seriously Ill have atleast 8 hours, so drink the first 5 sober up for 2 and get ready to go back in 1. Anyways its not like Im gonna go back drunk off my ass. Atleast I dont do drugs like that other guy. And the guys who dumped the body deserve to get court martialed.

Also I just added that my parent buy it for me, thats if I pay for it. But just so you know I have a fake id. And dont say I have bad parents.

I do understand where all the negative remarks come from I just think we are all adults who have different opinions and can talk normally without making me feel like crap and without me disrespecting any of you.

[Retired Navy Chief]

You are entitled to your own opinion ... that is why we live in the USA. However the foolish decisions that you are going to great lengths to justify may in fact jeoprodize the lives of the children and spouses of those on this board who are trying to point out your mistakes if you ever make it into the Navy. We all count on our shipmates to have our back when things go wrong out there ... I don't believe that I could count on you to be sober when I would need you the most.

Man to man ... you deserved to get your backside climbed like you did. I wish that you would print out a copy of your last post, fold it up and put it in your wallet. One day, you will read the note and those words that came from your own mouth (so to speak) will sound so ridiculous to you that you won't even recognize yourself. Or ... the paramedics will find it when you are lying in the ditch and get a good chuckle because you were warned.

If you need alchohol to get over being shy, or to make it through the day ... that is an excuse. You have a problem and need to get it fixed NOW before it takes your life. Noone cares whether mom & dad buy it for you or condone it ... you abuse it and let it run your life. That is YOUR issue to deal with and your folks should be seeing this and help you.

You can take all the precautions that you want to keep yourself from getting in trouble on liberty but if you have a drinking problem, you are bound to fail.. just give it time. I have seen it way too many times. I had the misfortune of having a functioning drunk as one of my Damage Controlmen years ago. He arrived on the ship just like you .. a ball of fire, ready to get out there and be the best in the Navy (Hero in Training). Over the course of a year, he came in hung over ... late ... not at all ... even drunk. I do***ented every issue and even sent him out for counseling. Unfortunately it was too late for him and I had to process him out of the Navy, which was too bad because when he was sober, he was a hell of a fire fighter. I will NOT have a drunk on my team and you won't find many Chiefs that will (read that as NO Chiefs will). You already screwed yourself out of a decent education ... how much further will you let yourself go ?

Your weight is not your biggest problem ... your drinking and your attitude is. I hope you get things in your life straightened out ... but until then, I'm done giving advice to you. There are many others who frequent these boards who will take experience to heart and truly want to make it.

"The biggest problems in the world could have been solved when they were small" .... quote by some dead chinese philosopher who's name I can't pronounce :biggrin:

PISTOL

[KYmom]

MY oldest son now 30 likes to drink also... Did alot of this in the faternity also.
To this day he as a serious issue that takes over his life.
I did alot of underage drinking also starting at the age of 16, my parents didn't care they were usually out drinking somewhere.
My aunts and uncle on both sides of my family were alcoholics, I still drink socially and once or twice a week.
I have tried to teach my youngest to drink responsibly (I hope I have succeded) , I have seen too many people waste away their lives due to the bottle, and from your statements and anger that you have showed I think you know that you could very well be on your way to a problem if not controled.
JD's wife has had her husband (sailor) loose privalges due to a shipmate drinking. This is why she got so angry with you.
My son personally had to escort 2 different shipmates to captains mast during A school due to their drinking. They lost their school spots and was sent on to the fleet undesignated. These type of people they call DIRT BAGS. Your actions during boot camp and on will reflect upon your shipmates that are assigned to the same unit/school/division etc that you are with if your problem is found out.
Their have been several instances where the whole group that was out has got in trouble. If you read through all the different forums on this issue you will find alot of the sailors that rented rooms and got drunk --- all that were involved (drunk or not) got penalized for being there.

In the past 21 months that I have been involved in these boards I have seen alot of post of sailors going down over this issue. Drinking in or out of the Miliatry in this day and age is something that is frowned upon if not done responsbly.

You need to get control of your issue's before you go. My 19 y.o like's beer so I am not niave on this issue. (2 boys 19 & 30 ) We did let him drink 2 beers with his buddies on our property at his going away party. We did let him drink a beer or two home for christmas.
But this is a issue we have discussed with him on several occasions - due to the stories he has told us regarding shipmates that have cost them all. He has stated several times that if he wants to have a drink or two he leaves the base and goes to a shipmates home for the weekend and stay's there.
But he had enough respect that he would not have a beer PIR weekend or during his A school.. He waited till afterwards...
It's not worth risking during the time frame that you are expected to do as your told and nothing else.

[KYmom]

I am sure that all of us who have posted on this subject are not people you never touch the stuff. We all probably have a drink now and then and their is nothing wrong with a drink now and then. But as Chief said print out a copy and read it years from now and you will see what we are seeing.

[Kristie]

I have deleted the posts with the VERY inappropriate language. This thread has also been locked because no further discussion in needed. I have left this post so that others will see that this type of behavior is not needed or wanted in the Navy or on this board.

Those members that used inappropriate language have been warned and if it happens again further action will be taken against them.

Please take note of the rules that you agreed to when you joined this board. YOU WILL be held accountable!

If anyone feels like this entire post should be deleted please let me know. I am going to let Ray have the last say since he is the owner of this site.

[NCMEDIC]

Kristie's decisions is the law. Very good choice.