Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges

[MacSteve]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html

one of the Most Wanted terrorists is caught, and complains he was beat by US Navy SEALs whom are now facing court martial.

I saw this on facebook and it made me very.... upset... anyways thought I'd share.

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, a confirmed Mujahideen commander, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

*Its important to note that the CIA ordered his capture alive for reasons related to National Security & Intelligence. This terrorist is seen in a video that recorded the Blackwater ambush.

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.

Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

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To file a citizen complaint regarding the treatment of these Navy SEALs, please call 813-828-4976 on Monday... or send emails now to

holly.silkman@soccent.centcom.mil

US Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps
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Send a letter...

Hon. Ray Mabus
Secretary of the Navy
1000 Navy Pentagon
Washington, DC 20350-1000

Ray Mabus
Office of the Secretary of the Navy
2000 Navy Pentagon
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Dr. Robert M. Gates
Secretary of Defense
1400 Defense Pentagon, Washington DC 20301-1400

http://www.defense.gov/landing/questions.aspx

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Make sure checks are annotated with: "SO2 McCabe" so that they can be immediately deposited into his client trust fund for legal fees and expenses. Checks can be mailed to: 2181 Jamieson Ave, Suite 1505, Alexandria, VA 22314.
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Sincerely,

Neal A. Puckett, Esq
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Puckett & Faraj, PC
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[DK3]

Can you imagine how WWII would have turned out if we had to fight a war using the PC rules that we have today?

So sad.

[MacSteve]

god knows what they do to US troops if they are caught!

[jkitchen09]

Public Beheading :(

[maria.molina]

wat the freak! omg if this guy is a wanted terrorist and still has the nerve to say he was mistreated...total loser

[sketch]

This is kind of a disappointment. It irks me to think of the money that will be spent on this case. I don't feel its right that an individual who clearly disregards the Geneva convention can call on it when he himself is on the wrong end.

[Retired Navy Chief]

They are not sign on to the Geneva Convention .... they are not bound to play by the rules ... only we are. And they use this to their advantage. If each one of those turds pulls this kind of stunt, they know that even our hardest warriors will second guess the right thing to do and end up not wanting to engage the enemy for fear of reprisal from their own government.

If you haven't read Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell ... I suggest you do so. This explains the double edge sword that our warriors are facing and the real life results of what happens when our hands are tied, figuratively speaking.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[Critic101]

Im not surprised... When I was in GITMO, this was the type of stuff that used to get the Army and Navy guards into a lot of trouble.... If a detainee cried wolf, the Command would launch and investigation. Even if you use foul language towards a detainee this could result in the loss of rank... And trust me, the detainees in GITMO know this, AND THEY USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!!!

But instead of having a Chain of Command back up their sailors and soldiers, they would rather fry them so THEY wouldnt be in danger of losing any rank... Its pretty sad.

[Retired Navy Chief]

It's not that the Chain of Command WON'T back them up ... it's that they CAN'T back them up.

Admirals and Commanding Officers fall under the same restrictions that everyone else does ... but when the people much, much, much higher in the food chain says "This is the way the US Military will operate in this given situation......whether they like it or not" ... that pretty much ties the hands of those involved, don't you agree ??

If we are going to be pissed at ANYONE ... it needs to be the politicians who came up with this crap in the first place. The only way it can be changed is with the power of the voting public.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[sweetmtn]

Im not surprised... When I was in GITMO, this was the type of stuff that used to get the Army and Navy guards into a lot of trouble.... If a detainee cried wolf, the Command would launch and investigation. Even if you use foul language towards a detainee this could result in the loss of rank... And trust me, the detainees in GITMO know this, AND THEY USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!!!

But instead of having a Chain of Command back up their sailors and soldiers, they would rather fry them so THEY wouldnt be in danger of losing any rank... Its pretty sad.

Hummm...not that I agree on moving them..but wonder how they will like living in a Federal Prison..WAY less daylight, WAY less free time, generally on lock down..this I know as we have a federal prison in my county..I kw several of the guards there. No special treatment for religious stuff as they never let them into a general population..I think they will BEG to go back to GITMO!

[DK3]

They won't lose any of their 'priviledges'. After all, we wouldn't want to offend any terrorist that may be lurking out there.

However, they will probably complain because of the cold weather.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126089336494292167.html

[sweetmtn]

They won't lose any of their 'priviledges'. After all, we wouldn't want to offend any terrorist that may be lurking out there.

However, they will probably complain because of the cold weather.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126089336494292167.html

I beg to differ...being the detainees will no longer be under "MILITARY" guards, they will be treated no different than the average federal prisoner, except they will be treated even harsher. If you read that article, they wont be the only ones there, and they will have to keep them away from the general populations, "For their safety". The only way to do that is basically keep them in solitary...My friends that work at our local federal prison thinks it is really funny about them being transfered.
As far as jobs for the locals..now THAT IS A REAL JOKE! They said the same thing about ours when they first proposed building it here. The first ones to get hired are those that want to transfer to that facility, second EVERY JOB at a federal prison means EVERYONE must qualify to be a correctional officer..even the clerical department!(there are age maximums as well there) As when they go on lock down..THEY GO ON LOCK DOWN! So even the clerical staff must be armed. You cant just be a high school grad to get a federal corrections job anymore. Those poor people in that town will be sorely ticked off when the truth hits them in the face!

[Retired Navy Chief]

You cant just be a high school grad to get a federal corrections job anymore. Those poor people in that town will be sorely ticked off when the truth hits them in the face!


Like everything else they cram down our throats these days ... by then it will be too late. :cry::mad:


Cheers,
PISTOL

[Critic101]

Yup, I agree... I cant stand the treatment these guys are getting in GITMO! If I had it my way I would send them to san quentin state prison, and let them mix with the general population.... LOL... If they hate Americans so much, lets give them a taste of what hardcore American convicts can do.... (I know, that was cruel of me...lol)

[Retired Navy Chief]

Yup, I agree... I cant stand the treatment these guys are getting in GITMO! If I had it my way I would send them to san quentin state prison, and let them mix with the general population.... LOL... If they hate Americans so much, lets give them a taste of what hardcore American convicts can do.... (I know, that was cruel of me...lol)


GITMO isn't a cakewalk ... it is still prison. When these knuckleheads get sent to a regular prison, they will be separated from general population to ensure they live out their sentence to the fullest extent (not get greased by the American inmates) ... which will in turn cost the American tax payers even more.

If I were in charge for a day ... I would bring them all to an old, decommissioned Navy submarine slated for disposal, seal them inside, tow them to sea and proceed with the normal business of testing missiles and torpedoes.

Training and testing for our Sailors would be accomplished and we could dispose of the worlds trash all at the same time ... I don't really care if they go to see Allah or not. Not my problem any more.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[DK3]

<Sarcasm>
I say we just torture them by putting underwear on their head. That will really torture them.
<Sarcasm/>

Seriously, I like Pistol's idea.

[Critic101]

GITMO isn't a cakewalk ... it is still prison. When these knuckleheads get sent to a regular prison, they will be separated from general population to ensure they live out their sentence to the fullest extent (not get greased by the American inmates) ... which will in turn cost the American tax payers even more.

If I were in charge for a day ... I would bring them all to an old, decommissioned Navy submarine slated for disposal, seal them inside, tow them to sea and proceed with the normal business of testing missiles and torpedoes.

Training and testing for our Sailors would be accomplished and we could dispose of the worlds trash all at the same time ... I don't really care if they go to see Allah or not. Not my problem any more.

Cheers,
PISTOL
You gotta be kidding me.... GITMO "IS" a cake walk for these guys... They already know what they can and cannot do in GITMO, and TRUST ME they get away with a lot of crap that American prisoners dont even have an chance of getting away with. GITMO is a political stage and the prisoners there know it!

Ive seen so many of my fellow sailors get sent to mast due to an detainee complaining about getting cursed at or even yelled at, and since GITMO is in the spotlight of the media, the chain of command there show no mercy for any negative treatment towards a detainee....verbal or physical!

And when we ask our chain of command why do they get away with so much (UNLIKE a prison back in the states). The answer we keep getting back is some like... "Im not loosing my anchors over this" or "You just have to play the game"... THESE ARE REAL ANSWERS FROM OUR CHAIN OF COMMAND!!!

Now as far as "your" idea... Yea, Ill agree with you on that one. However, like my prison idea, that will not likely happen.

[MacSteve]

watch yourself, this will not get into a pissing thread (though I know Pistol won't sink to that level). I will issue an infraction.

so now onto my response:
you gotta be kidding me. In a real prison, in order for your guys to have interaction with "america's killers", they would also have to be allowed visitors. Who visits terrorists other then.. oh yea! OTHER TERRORISTS. there are pro's and con's to every method, in this case the con's outweigh the pro's.

[Critic101]

watch yourself, this will not get into a pissing thread (though I know Pistol won't sink to that level). I will issue an infraction.

so now onto my response:
you gotta be kidding me. In a real prison, in order for your guys to have interaction with "america's killers", they would also have to be allowed visitors. Who visits terrorists other then.. oh yea! OTHER TERRORISTS. there are pro's and con's to every method, in this case the con's outweigh the pro's.
Your right, other terrorist just may visit....and just like any other prison, when someone visits an inmate ALL phone calls are recorded, and letters are scanned. Do you truly believe that they wont be closely monitored while imprisoned here in the U.S.? C'mon... Gitmo is a mess and it needs to go away.

Oh yea, I wasnt getting into a pissing match with anyone. BUT I was making it very clear, of what the climate is for sailors stationed at GITMO. I was there for two years, and I find it pretty funny that when people think of GITMO they look at it as if the detainees there are having a hard time.... These guys have it made compared to other prisons.

[MacSteve]

so i take it you have worked/been in other prisons? and either way holding them is a waste of money. I'd rather do it with them being in a secluded area with no outside contact then with contact with others.

[Critic101]

so i take it you have worked/been in other prisons? and either way holding them is a waste of money. I'd rather do it with them being in a secluded area with no outside contact then with contact with others.
Yes Sir! My current job is with the CCA (Corrections Corporations of America), located in Henderson, Texas... Prior to that I was a DSO (Detentions Service Officer) for the Dallas Sheriffs Department. Therefore from what Ive seen in our own prison system, and the system that we have in GITMO is very, very different.

Im not blowing smoke here. The prison system in Texas is pretty hardcore, and I promise you, GITMO is far from it. All Im saying is, if we are going to keep GITMO up and running, we need to adopt some "real" hardcore prison rules.

Ill give you one example - If a detainee ***aults a guard, in any physical way, the detainee will lose privilages (such as losing 2 out of 8 hours of recreation time for a week). However, in state prisons, that will get you into some form of solitary confinement for a great deal of time, but due to media attention and politics, GITMO doesnt use any solitary confinement measures, no matter if they ***ualt a sailor or soldier, they just lose recreation time as well as few other basic items, and these detainees could care less about recreation time...

So what can we do to show these guys that we mean business? Because the current GITMO system isnt working.

[MacSteve]

blow them all up sounds like a good idea

[Retired Navy Chief]

watch yourself, this will not get into a pissing thread (though I know Pistol won't sink to that level). I will issue an infraction.

No need for that ... he obviously has first hand experience and information. That is valuable input and very welcome here. I got my info from a Senior Chief MA who may or may not be as "hands on" in GITMO as I thought he was.
The difference in point of view between someone on the ground and someone sitting in an office ... can be pretty large.

I will say, and I think most of us here will agree ...there isn't a prison out there that will guarantee justice for what was done.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[DEPrecrutehutcherson]

i have to disagree with that this is their job i dont have a doubt in my mind that they wont engage any differently then they have in the past there SEALS they are trained to do there job that way i doubt a lousy court case is gonna have a affect on these guys if anything piss them off even more when there out there on missions



They are not sign on to the Geneva Convention .... they are not bound to play by the rules ... only we are. And they use this to their advantage. If each one of those turds pulls this kind of stunt, they know that even our hardest warriors will second guess the right thing to do and end up not wanting to engage the enemy for fear of reprisal from their own government.

If you haven't read Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell ... I suggest you do so. This explains the double edge sword that our warriors are facing and the real life results of what happens when our hands are tied, figuratively speaking.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[DEPrecrutehutcherson]

A men to that






I will say, and I think most of us here will agree ...there isn't a prison out there that will guarantee justice for what was done.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[Retired Navy Chief]

Unfortunately ... this is what is happening. During my 2 years working with the SEALs, this was a common concern among the operators.

It was the cause of the greatest loss of Navy SEAL lives in history ... read the book.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[DEPrecrutehutcherson]

=/ ill shut up then lol i just hate that its that way i cant wait to get to buds only about 6 more months =]

[DEPrecrutehutcherson]

which book is it u mentioned? im yet to read lone survivor

[Retired Navy Chief]

That's the one .... authored by Marcus Luttrell. The book is based on a deployment made by SEAL Team 10.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[echokilo]

great book cheif! a must read.

[JohnRudolph]

America needs to drop the apologetics and get on with business. Employ an "Inglorious Basterds" squad and start scalping some Muslims over there who get captured and then shoot them with bullets dipped in pig's blood.

I bet that their "little jihad" of theirs would come to a grinding halt and if the calling ever came, I'd form up such a group.

[MacSteve]

America needs to drop the apologetics and get on with business. Employ an "Inglorious Basterds" squad and start scalping some Muslims over there who get captured and then shoot them with bullets dipped in pig's blood.

I bet that their "little jihad" of theirs would come to a grinding halt and if the calling ever came, I'd form up such a group.

I can't imagine how awesome that would be to hire a team of mercenary elites to do that.

[Retired Navy Chief]

Boy ... we'd have the squeamish liberals all up in arms if that happened !! Look how they are with the SEALs and other specwar teams when a little bit of what they do leaks out.

Ooooh ... the SEALs gave one a fat lip .... let's hang them !!

Craziness ...

Cheers,
PISTOL

[MacSteve]

I bet we would have very minimal casualty's if we let some ex seals/ ex green beret go in there and tear the place up.. seems the biggest time when elite personell take casualty's is when they run into rules of engagement issues

[Ashley L]

That's bull! That UN freaking beleivable

[MM1 Sloniker]

Can you imagine how WWII would have turned out if we had to fight a war using the PC rules that we have today?

So sad.

It would have turned out like Viet Nam... We would have left the job un done and called it a victory.

:angry:

[DK3]

It would have turned out like Viet Nam... We would have left the job un done and called it a victory.

:angry:

Unfortunately, I agree....

[boudc1022]

Does anyone know what happened with this?

[dragonsi]

America needs to drop the apologetics and get on with business. Employ an "Inglorious Basterds" squad and start scalping some Muslims over there who get captured and then shoot them with bullets dipped in pig's blood.

I bet that their "little jihad" of theirs would come to a grinding halt and if the calling ever came, I'd form up such a group.



I totally agree!

[Retired Navy Chief]

Time for an update ...... go to the closest source .... http://hamptonroads.com/2010/04/lying-charges-dropped-against-two-navy-seals

Cheers,
PISTOL

[ABH Oldtimer]

great...the trial is on the same day i get to bootcamp :/ now i wont get to see what happens for awhile.

[MacSteve]

Lawyers for both SEALs requested the change so the men can face their accuser in court. Ahmed Hashim Abed is described as the mastermind of the murders of four American contractors in Fallujah in 2004.
now thats ridiculous. bringing a known terrorist to a court martial against the people who captured him. talk about a slap in the face to the SEALs

[Retired Navy Chief]

now thats ridiculous. bringing a known terrorist to a court martial against the people who captured him. talk about a slap in the face to the SEALs

Not really .... this was at the request of the SEALs. Lawyers for both SEALs requested the change so the men can face their accuser in court.

Look your accuser in the eye so he can be exposed as the lying dog that he is !!

Cheers,
PISTOL

[MacSteve]

oh I agree on that point. I mean the slap in the face more towards the irony portion of it. Just months ago they were tasked with capturing this guy at almost all costs, and now hes taking them to court.

WTF?

[Retired Navy Chief]

I wish they'd give one of the boys a gun and let them finish the job ... but that's just me.

Cheers,
PISTOL

[MacSteve]

I wish they'd give one of the boys a gun and let them finish the job ... but that's just me.

Cheers,
PISTOL

seconded

[sketch]

Update:

Judge dismissed the case after further witnesses testified what they saw.

Good news is good.

[DK3]

Not Guilty!!!!!!


Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- The first of three Navy SEALs accused of mishandling a suspect in the high-profile killings of contractors in Iraq was found not guilty at a court-martial Thursday.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/04/22/navy.seal.verdict/index.html?hpt=T2

[papy]

God bless America, i was going to have to consider moving to Canada if they didnt get cleared. lol

[Retired Navy Chief]

The SEALs knew what they are up against ... this is why they chose the path they did.

"To win a battle ... you must know your enemies weakness and exploit it !!"

Cheers,
PISTOL